Michelle Obama and her brother, Craig Robinson, are incredibly close so she was understandably shocked to learn about his divorce after it had already happened.

Michelle Obama recalled 'red flags' in her brother Craig Robinson's behavior before she learned he was going through a divorce with his ex-wife. The brother-sister duo rehashed the turbulent moment on the first episode of their new podcast,

I worry about folks being out of work, and I worry about how we think about diversity and inclusion,” the former first lady said. Trying to find authentic, consistent joy in the midst of a reality that is relentlessly delivering devastating blows feels akin to finding a needle in an impossibly large haystack.